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Gas boilers may be next problem issue hitting landlords

Gas boilers may be the next big issue for the private rental sector as an influential committee has called for them to be banned from sale in only 13 years time.

The Committee on Climate Change - an independent body advising the government - says gas boilers should not be sold beyond 2033 and all electricity production should be zero carbon by 2035 if the UK is to reach the target of net zero emissions by 2050.

The committee urges the government to make sure the UK's emissions are cut by 78 per cent of their 1990 levels - a benchmark measure - by 2035.

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This follows the government's announcement last week that it aims to reduce emissions by 68 per cent compared to 1990 levels by 2030.

Just 18 months ago the government declared that it would be illegal to install gas boilers in new build homes from 2025; instead the ‘future homes standard’ will require all new homes to have low-carbon alternatives, such as electric heat pumps.

The CCC report calls for one million heat pumps to be installed annually by 2030, in new-build homes to begin with but then in existing residential properties. Some gas boilers may also use hydrogen in the 2030s, while some homes in cities will rely on centralised heat networks.

 

Approximately 14 per cent of UK greenhouse emissions currently come from homes, putting domestic energy as a significant polluter.

Kevin Wellman, chief executive of the Chartered Institute of Plumbing and Heating Engineering, says that despite some key dates being over a decade away it is clear that “natural gas fired boilers are on borrowed time.”

  • George Dawes

    We're going through the corona scam next it's the climate change con

    It's not long before you realise all the real criminals aren't in prison , they're in parliament

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    What a stupid comment. Grow up.

     
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    If stupidity and wasting money was a crime most career politicians would be locked up

     
    Algarve  Investor

    Your first sentence couldn't be anymore wrong, reductive or mad if it tried.

    In what way is corona a scam exactly? Are the millions of deaths a scam? Is it all a conspiracy involving 5G and Bill Gates' attempts to inject us with chips? Seriously, can you not see how ludicrous that sounds?

    As to your next point, you'll have to explain your working. In which way is climate change a con? Pretty much every eminent scientist in the world now agrees on global warming being man-made.

    I'd actually agree with your second comment, given some of the actions of ministers in recent times, but the first part is utter nonsense. The fact it has three likes is even more worrying.

     
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    'Climate change con'? So you know more than all the scientists and meteorologists and experts in the field who have all come to the same conclusion? All their facts and figures and projections are wrong, in your opinion? What qualifications do you have to say it's a 'con'?

     
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    My 29 year old female tenant died of covid 19 try telling her husband it was a scam!!

     
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    2033, is the yr that I will celibate my 80th birthday, if I'm still here, don't think I'll be too much bothered by then, that'll be a problem for the next generation of landlords

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    I suppose you have to give it up at some point in your life.
    I'm celibate now but not by choice I can assure you. :-)

     
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    Ha, yes Simon, just spotted it, well good for a laugh anyway.

     
  • Trevor Cooper

    Poor you! What a sad outlook. At least we've been given plenty of notice. Sounds like you've given up already.

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    Nothing poor about me boy !

     
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    This will be yet more costs to be borne by that generation of tenants. The problem with the Green lobby is that they don't consider the affordability or who will pay for their flawed policies.

    Their logic is also often flawed, being anti Nuclear power (despite it having zero emissions), anti highly efficient diesel engines, anti motorways and pro bikes ( all policies which prevent cars from driving more efficiently) and pro infection spreading public transport and high density insulated buildings.

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    Flawed thinking and policies in every way, but pandering to the green lobby wins votes so the government is led by the nose, Sadly, common sense doesn't apply.

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    Are Mike, common sense, very rare to day, we can thank Mr Blair for that one sending all those idiots to tin pot universities.

     
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    The green lobby will lose the Conservatives a lot of votes.

     
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    Loads of time to plan yet and who knows what new technology will come out in the next 10 years. The government can't afford to let lots of people freeze to death in their homes and many home owners can less afford to change to new tech than landlords can. A solution will be found.

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    Andrew

    You don't seem to understand how renting works. Landlords invest and tenants pay. Landlords will be able to afford changes in their own homes, but will tenants have to seek cheaper properties to rent when their rents go up to recoup our additional costs?

    Most green initiatives also tend to have higher running costs as well as the initial capital costs recouped through rent increases.

     
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    its un/2130/wef plans

  • Matthew Payne

    A large number of these boilers will need replacing in the next 13 years anyway, so its not really going to create a huge amount of additional cost, and the green homes grant will contribute towards a ground or air source heat pump. It's not really 13 years either if you are not eco minded. They just stop being sold in 2033, which means if you really wanted to, you could buy a new one in 2032 which would probably see you good until at least 2050.

    The CCC are clearly living in Cloud Cuckoo Land if they think there is the appetite, funding or capability to fit 20,000 heat pumps a week, week in week out for the next 10 years.

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    A new boiler is between £1000 and £4000 typically, whereas heat pumps are well into 5 figures. Grants are not free money and are paid by taxpayers. Grants also tend to distort supply prices and attract cowboys.

    Government should leave the market to control itself.

    How much rental premium would a property with a heat pump command? I suspect it would be just as ineffective as the current energy price cap!

     
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    Wow a few ruffled feathers today.
    Corona is real, but not the devastation that it has been made out to be. It has been a tough call all round balancing the need of the fragile few against economy. I would not like to be making these decisions and I think we all need some humility in out outlook.
    Climate change con....hmmm. Romans apparently were growing grapes on Hadrian's Wall. Must have been warm then i guess. Therefore nobody can win the temperature argument imho. However, air quality using up resources too quick etc etc... I think change needs to happen and i will play my part.
    The older I get and per chance slightly wiser I despair at some of our politicians. Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised...I am listening to Brexit keenly. If the Europeans do not wish to play ball then I hope we as a nation refuse to buy their goods.
    My focus currently is encouraging my local MP to leave CGT alone. We contribute enough already.
    The argument that individuals are evading tax by having wages in shares is simple. Any wage no matter the form is a wage, tax it as such.
    Lastly Blair was wrong to encourage only Universities...we need skilled tradesmen and apprenticeships let's hope this lot do better

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    What an absolute load of rubbish.
    Gas converters to suitable boilers and will probably be hydogen. But do we really care its 13 years away, today, and will change to 20 years tomorrow.

  • Franklin I

    In reference to the above heading 'Gas boilers may be next problem issue hitting landlords'.

    This is more related to an EPC rating, so if by 2021, it would be illegal for a Landlord to have a rating higher than an 'E' and by 2025 a rating higher than a 'C', it would be in our best interest to consider the long term options of government grants for Air Source Heat Pumps as an alternative to replacing gas boilers which are less energy efficient!

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    Its not the gas boiler that effects the rating, that will help it. Electric boiler rating F convert thst bpiler to Gas the rating becomes a C.

     
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    I think you mean lower not higher! A is high G is low!

     
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    I know we'll have to improve the EPC's although some of mine are "C" already but I'll have to deal with the others. However, the main issue I see is the Electric supply to most Houses is single Phase / 60 AMP I think, so to run an Electric Boiler as replacement is difficult if not impossible without expensive Main Cable Laying but I am sure someone will correct me hopefully. It seems to me existing supply is only sufficient for a Flat which Boiler uses about 14kw, (220v x 60amp = 13.2KW) so that's not going to heat your normal house is it ? + you'll need showers etc, requiring the necessity of hot water storage tanks again. As I understand it 3 / 4 bed Houses need 24kw / 28kw Boilers at present minimum. I suspect this is how we measure heat those days as we don't talk about BTU anymore. Right so we are going to need 3 phase electric, 3 No. 6mm cables / wires that we haven't got. I have seen the Heat Air pumps expensive for heating swimming pools not muck cop & not impressed Ground Heat Source probably ok but not sure needing deep hole drilling. Additionally we can have roof panels but don't want over complicate the running of the house.

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    I'm not too concerned by all this Green nonsense, it will soon change back to reality once Boris changes his woman again and I doubt that will be too long.

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    I think the drive towards greener homes is going to continue and denying it is just sticking your head in the sand. The problem is there isn't a reasonable alternative to a gas boiler that is relatively cheap to install and run. I guess the hard deadline will encourage R&D and so there maybe a solution soon that we are not aware of yet. But we have all got to go green whether we choose to or not.

     
  • George Dawes

    If you’re naive enough to believe that politicians are there for anything but their own self interests , maybe it’s time for you to grow up ?

    Looking at the laughable incompetence of Boris etc in their handling of the current plandemic says it all really . Dodgy deals , mistruths , downright lies. All part and parcel of being a modern day politician

    A pandemic with 98.5% survival rate that only affects over 80’s .... gullible or what ?

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    Some stupid comments on here today cant be from professional LLs.

  • George Dawes

    I agree

    My multi million pound portfolio agrees too

  • George Dawes

    The gas boiler makes the biggest difference to your epc rating , Google it if you don’t believe me

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