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Landlords overwhelmingly back Airbnb clampdown - council’s claim

A local authority in a tourist hotspot claims that local landlords have “overwhelmingly” backed a move to clampdown on Airbnbs and other short lets.

North Devon council says more than 85 per cent of landlords, housing charities and estate agents who took part in a consultation agreed with a change in policy for HMOs.

However, the council admits that only 124 people in total actually backed the proposal, reflecting a small uptake in response to the consultation.

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The council proposes to stop HMOs being used for mixed accommodation - permanent accommodation and short lets - claiming such a mix would be "inappropriate and problematic."

Those who disagreed raised concerns over how the policy would be enforced and said landlords should be able to choose how they used their homes.

You can see a local news service report on the council discussion here.

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    124 becomes 85% and shows how there are lies, damned lies and statistics. It is like the television adverts where it is claimed “Ninety five percent (of those who expressed a preference) preferred this brand”. That the majority couldn’t give a toss either way is not mentioned.🤣

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    I don’t give a toss either 😀. Live and let live. If that’s how they want to squeeze a buck out of their property good luck to them. All this witch finder general stuff , burn them at the stake I will leave to others.

     
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    • A JR
    • 03 January 2024 12:05 PM

    Absolute clap trap another glaringly obvious warping of reality. Where's the incentive for any AirBnb landlord to return to residential lets? They've slaughtered residential letting and now they have airbnb in thier sights.
    What sort of crass idiots are they?

     
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    I thought most landlords had changed over to Airbnb 😂😂

  • Neil Moores

    Why are HMOs being bundled in with AirBnb? The former provides homes for people. The latter provides holidays and deprives people of homes….and, for some reason gets more tax benefits.

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    Quite simply if HMO's are used as part HMO and part air bnb it causes a problem as what was wholly residential now being used for for hospitality as well. presumably there should be a change of use. It seems there is a movement to keep houses and any other form of residential accommodation strictly for tenants which considering the challenges for the firmer is fine by me.

     
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    We need to stop referring to holiday let’s getting more tax benefits. It’s not they get more benefits it’s that they don’t have the same penalties as BTL’s. Holiday let’s are considered and taxed as a legitimate business being allowed to write off all their expenses including interest as legitimate business costs which they are! BTL’ landlords are seen as the scum of the earth and penalised for providing their service and not seen as at all legitimate at all. We need to call it out for what it is!

     
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    Divide and conquer trying to get landlords attacking landlords as said many are the same landlords who were forced to switch to AirBnB because of the so called The Renters Reform Bill but it’s The Bill to destroy PRS by Mr Michael Gove for his Chums to take over, never an Article on this ?, not even a murmur while they take over almost secretly they have immunity, grants, subsidies, schemes and tax advantages.

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    Why would the landlords be against it? We're being told time and time again that there's a shortage of housing and record numbers of applicants per tenancy? It doesn't make sense to.me. If a person wants to do Airbnb then that's their decision, not mine.
    I understand the residents not wanting Airbnb etc if it leaves their villages empty for half the year.

  • Peter Why Do I Bother

    So basically a load of charities which means businesses (Acorn, Shelter, Gen etc) kick off because it is political and push people to complain.

    Estate agents are also complaining because they have nothing to rent and nothing to sell so obviously they are against it? Anyone trust an estate agent?

    Which leaves landlords who are against it because of the following

    1. RRB
    2. Removal S21
    3. Removal S24
    4. Licensing
    5. Negative Pressures
    6. Labour Government
    7. Air BnB has given them freedom back and probably better return

    Amazing that this ridiculous council did not consult 1000 landlords and got their view. Would not surprise me if Air BnB launch challenges to councils where they make the most money.

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    The article states more than 85% of LL, estate agents, charities etc took part in consultation. So why not stay with percentages, instead of stating only 124 people actually backed the proposal. It does specify how many of the 124 were charities, estate agents, LL's and council personnel backing the proposals. Councils are after flesh from the LL's, as they cannot administer vast amount of money receipts through council tax, parking fees, bus lanes, speeding, going through newly established 'no through roads'. The lack of council housing means they dictate how and who LL's should rent out the properties to. Without any real consultation with all the LLs, they get Gove to give them permission for licensing and changing rules for the LL's. If they force LL's into renting permanent homes only, there will be a shortage for tourists and tenants will start subletting the rooms. Any Airbnb loss of house, may mean LL selling those properties rather than rent it out to the tenants. The LL's bought the properties for that purpose and interfering and meddling councils, charities and government will further damage the whole infrastructure of housing. This is total short sighted exercise. It may work in short term, but the viability for long term is the real question.

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    • A JR
    • 03 January 2024 12:14 PM

    The lack of council housing means they dictate how and who LL's should rent out the properties to.

    Not to me they won't, I will sell out completely before that ever happens.
    There is no Council landlords can trust.

     
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    Are they saying you won't be allowed to have a mix of tenancy length in an HMO? Sometimes in my student let's the students want to leave in June. I allow this as I can easily fill the rooms between June and September, not exactly as air BnBs but as shorter term let's. I wouldn't mix holidaymakers with students though.

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    Utter rubbish!! Basically 126 landlords were asked and weren’t bothered in the slightest and the rest were agents losing out and campaigners doing what they do best ie complaining and finding someone to blame!

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    I'm not a fan of mixing Airbnb and residential in the same block of flats, nevermind the same HMO. Logistically it's problematic. Airbnb guests are for a few days and are often in holiday mode (alcohol fuelled late nights). Long term residents are in work mode and need a decent night's sleep. In a good HMO tenants form their own community and often leave personal possessions in communal areas. Having a succession of random holiday makers in and out would completely change the whole living experience for the long term occupants.

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    What you have said makes sense, Jo.

    However, I don't think it is just AirBnB guests who are going to be prohibited from mixed use buildings. It could perhaps be anyone who wants to rent for a short, fixed term, perhaps as long as nine months.

     
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    Ellie - what you have said basically comes down to economics. No politician is going to allow you to keep tenants prisoner, so the length of contract is the only mechanism that would have any impact.
    I thought the RRB was saying 2 month minimum, which would make it cheaper to rent a room in an HMO than a hotel room if you were planning to be in an area for more than about a fortnight. What's the difference in that and Airbnb in practical terms?
    Obviously it only works for furnished accommodation.
    Hopefully the government have worked out giving tenants the right to bail out free of financial penalties after only 2 months would cause huge problems and push rents even higher.
    Then we come down to the actual tenancy agreement. As far as I am concerned we can be more generous than the tenancy agreement states, so if we wish to allow tenants to leave early without financial penalty we can but it's our choice, not their right. The reason ASTs are usually 6 months is because you can't apply to the court for eviction until a tenant has been in situ for 6 months. I don't think anything has stopped us doing shorter tenancies if we want but we couldn't apply to the court for eviction until the 6 month point.

     
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    That is all true, Jo, but there is some uncertainty as to what is going to happen to the RRB, and perhaps also any new legislation governing short term lets.

    There is quite a good chance that there will be a May general election and the Renters Reform Bill may not have finished its journey through Parliament by then. I think that the Bill will just fail in those circumstances.

    However, a Labour Government is likely to adopt many of the measures within the Renters Reform Bill, possibly going further and making all grounds for possession discretionary?

    If the past is anything to go by then many landlords will have empty properties by May or properties let to short-term tenants who are definitely leaving.

    It seems that Government/local authorities will want to ensure that properties are available/used for long lets, but many landlords will resist/refuse to hand over their properties indefinitely.

     
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    I am generally against lots of new regulations, even for airbnb.
    If I were thinking of converting some of mine to that, because of the massive overregulation in the PRS, then I am going to be faced with the same problem.
    This 'was on the cards' though, as the authorities have to find new ways of creating income, because landlords are selling up.
    I am absolutely astonished that an asset that you own and pay tax on is of any business of governments or local authorities.
    Politics of envy and virtual signalling to voters, especially when there is an election around the corner.

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    • A JR
    • 03 January 2024 12:29 PM

    Whats needed is a 'bonfire of regulations' and the return of the 'market competition' that drove the BTL miracle that now houses 9-11 million people.
    What we will likely get, is more and more of the same suffocating red tape. If these idiots would just get off our backs, we could and would get this 'housing job done'.

     
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    That is exactly right, AJR, if all tenancies were contractual and simply governed by terms agreed between landlord and tenant, then landlords and tenants would be a great deal happier - supply would increase, rents would fall and there would be some stability in the private rental sector.

     
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    It's looking more and more like a terrible idea to become the sort of person who makes a profit from what should be other peoples' homes, whilst those people die of cold and starve in the streets. Shame on the lot of you.

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    So James homes should be free then should they?

     
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    Andrew, pointless replying to the brain-dead. None of my tenants die of cold or starve in the streets, so he cannot be talking about me. Mind you, once his beloved Labour party take control (if they do) there will be a lot more homeless as good landlords sell up.

     
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    You could apply that logic to a number of things.
    Energy companies, car dealers, etc etc.
    A car may be an essential for someone who needs to get to work, maybe the dealers should be selling them at a loss.
    Typical leftie, who thinks that every thing should be free.
    Socialism is ok, until it runs out of other peoples money.

     
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    So James, please explain how landlords should operate, if they can't make a profit?

     
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    I went to the Soviet Union when I was young, and I don't think James would have liked the housing situation there. Crowding of many families into one flat was almost universal and the estimated living space per person was less than 7 feet by 7 feet.

    The best conditions for tenants probably occur when rents are low and there is a high supply of accommodation. Tenants can then put money aside to buy their own flat, and can easily move if they don't like the flat they are in for some reason. The less regulation that landlords experience, the more likely they are to continue as landlords and offer a good deal to their tenants.

     
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    What's wrong with some of you? Short term lets don't get more tax benefits than the PRS... They just get taxed normally like any other business... If you're not happy with the way you're taxed as a PRS landlords... Move some of your properties into the holiday let game, same as I did.. I agree that PRS landlords are taxed unfairly but don't be giving the landlords who have diversified a hard time. 👍

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    Absolutely agree with you there Shane.
    The government and local authorities will grab any opportunity to relieve us of our hard earned cash.
    Just as one area becomes non-lucrative, they will look at other sources of income that they want to regulate/tax.
    There appears to be a shortage of ways to make money and as a landlord we are considered lower than pond life.
    My main worry, is when Labour get in, things will no doubt get a lot worse.
    They may try and convince us that they are going to raise taxes specifically from the well off, but how many times have they reneged on their promises?
    They will no doubt be looking at anyway they can to fund their policies.
    You need only look at how things are in Wales, to see what the outcomes are likely to be with a socialist Westminster Government in England.

     
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