A national newspaper says the Renters Reform Bill is “on the brink of collapse” as Tory MPs are divided on their views of the measure.
The Sun quotes an unnamed Whitehall source as saying: “The Renters Reform Bill looks like it may now collapse and the Tories risk breaking their manifesto commitment to end no fault evictions. Officials are at a total loss given both pro-landlord groups like the National Residential Landlords Association and pro-renters groups like the Renters Reform Coalition want this bill passed ASAP. It seems a small group of landlord MPs, led by Anthony Mangnall, are holding the bill to ransom.”
However, Mangnall - MP for Totnes - is not a landlord himself. Additionally, he insists he supports scrapping Section 21 eviction rights. But he claims many Tories are furious about the Bill banning fixed-term rental tenancies and replacing them with periodic tenancies that don’t have an end date.
Mangnall is quoted in the Sun saying: “I want to amend the Bill not to kill it. It’s my role as a legislator to ensure we pass sensible legislation. We’ve had constructive meetings with Michael Gove. This is about trying to find the right balance.”
Generation Rent chief executive Ben Twomey - who has previously accused MPs who are landlords of blocking the Bill - took to social media platform X to say: “I’d call this a kick in there teeth for renters, but it’s far worse.”
And a statement from the Generation Rent organisation itself says: "If the Renters Reform Bill were to collapse as this report suggests, it would be the biggest betrayal of renters in a generation and nothing short of a disgrace. Ending Section 21 ... evictions has been promised for almost five years and the prospect that government might abandon its word to 12 million renters because of party infighting is shameful.
"The Bill intends to, in its own words, 'rebalance the power between tenants and landlords', but no compromise appears to be enough. Concessions to weaken and delay the Bill's impact have already been made. This Bill is more than fair to landlords and the major landlord organisations all support reform. With soaring homelessness and record evictions, opponents of this Bill are far removed from the realities of renting.
"The government must bring forward this Bill, and it must stand firm to make sure it is worth the paper it is written on. Renters are tired of being a football used for political point scoring. We deserve so much better than this, and will certainly remember if tenants’ rights are denied by the collapse of this Bill."
Meanwhile a Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities spokesperson says: “Our landmark Renters (Reform) Bill will deliver a fairer private rented sector for both tenants and landlords. It will abolish section 21 evictions – giving people more security in their homes and empowering them to challenge poor practices. We continue to meet regularly with a range of groups, representing all those in the private rented sector."
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If tenants are good tenants, no Landlord would want to evict them, why would they? If they are a problem, constantly in arrears, damaging the property, or acting anti-socially, why wouldn't they? and why should't they not be able to? the only exception ,is if the Landlord needs to sell the property and in their personal circumstances and their personal situation, how can you reasonably deny that?
As I have said many times, No GOOD landlord gives NOTICE to a GOOD tenant without a GOOD reason.
That makes so much sense it will not happen Remember we are dealing with people who are out of touch with the real world
The Tories just need to say that they have discovered there's no such thing as a no fault eviction. It's simply one party exercising the agreement to end the contract without it being extended.
Non-existent things which lefties have moaned about include no-fault evictions, bedroom tax and poll tax. These simply never existed and no evidence of them will be found in looking for laws or clauses which put them on the statute book.
I cannot wait to read "ROUGE" tenants like SBR, James Turner, Shelter and Generation Rant explode tomorrow!
I'm looking forward to hearing from them as well
Andrew, their reactions are predictable. Of more interest will be comments from Bungling Boy Beadle.
Turner the plonker and needy SBR (that’s you Sandra Bow-Rennox or whatever) 🤦🏻♂️
It simply doesn’t matter 🤷♂️ Labour will be in after the Autumn and it will come in. None story…. Sadly 🫣
I would not guarantee that. Labour are under threat from Mulim candidates and the faux-conservatives are under threat from REFORM.
I think you are right. Not sure they will get a majority. May have to be a coalition. Labour and Tory? Two cheeks of the same @rse?
We can't be absolutely sure that the next election will be in the autumn. It could be anytime from May onwards really.
Ellie, the election will be when Sunak is TOLD to have it. 😉
It is difficult to predict what is going to happen.
If the Tories do really badly in the local elections in May, then there could be letters of no confidence by Tory MPs. Will that lead to a change of leadership/another leadership contest - or Rishi Sunak calling/threatening a general election?
Would that damage or improve Tory prospects if a general election takes place later in the year?
Ellie, Talking of May and good news, Treason May has announced she will be one of the rats leaving the sinking ship at the election.
Imagine if there was a box on the ballot labelled "None of the above" and, None of the above got most votes, that electon had to be run again with that MP's salary reduced by 10%. Definite cat among the pigeons.
Treason May :))))))
Everyone now
write to Starmer and your MP and point out evicting tenants for anti social behaviour will always be difficult. Crafty tenants who are anti social tenants will damage the property and claim it's a revenge eviction for lack of repairs. Neighbours may be too intimated to openly complain and Grove's proposal of "hearsay evidence" to make it easier to evict is nonsense. "Hearsay evictions" (if allowed) will be soon stopped. Instead all new tenancies should be conditional for 12 months with a landlord then being able to evict for a set period using section 21 before the tenancy automatically becoming a permanent "assured tenantcy" .. Most tenants would understand such an ammendment to the RRB albeit Gen Rent will scream.
They were already furious because CGT was reduced in budget. Nothing wrong with a fixed term contract lasting 12 months both tenant and LL know where they stand.
Agree with you Wendy.
Although there are some tenants who want longer tenancies, safe from s21 eviction, to make sure they had the same home and don't get chucked out of it while their kids are at school (particularly if the only place to move to could be a long way from that school).
I can sort of see their point, but it doesn't require s21 abolition.
Instead, quite simply, tenants and landlord could agree say a 5 or 6 year tenancy, perhaps after the initial 6 months shorthold.
And it could be good for a landlord to know the tenants would stay for the say 5 or 6 years, possibly longer by agreement, either agreed initially, of during the period if things were going well.
Which could cover the situation and everyone would know where they stand.
And it wouldn't be the forever open-ended, one-sided loss of control many landlords fear.
I’m sure there will be some “rouge” tenants after they have been kicked in “there” teeth.
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can we have some twitter, X, addresses for these idiots so we can post comments. Believe it or not there are several Ben Twomeys! one is enough.
Twitter is a powerful platform where we can post comments
What landlords don’t want are periodic tenancies with no end date. I would be fine with a 3 year lease as is the custom in France. The landlord gives 6 months notice to say he doesn’t intend to renew the Lease if he wishes to regain vacant possession. Meanwhile we need a strong Section 8.It is ridiculous for the activists to say they are being used as a political football. It is Landlords who are the political football. Being a landlord is someone who is running a business. What other business has to put up with all this interference? Do the supermarkets get a lot of flak when they put food prices up?! Mangnall talks sense and is objective not being a landlord himself.
Why should a tenant have a right to stay in someone’s asset if the landlord doesn’t want them there? As mentioned before, if they are decent tenants, a landlord will keep them. But if a landlord decides not to be a landlord anymore, why can’t he sell his asset vacant to someone who wants to live there? The whole re-balancing of tenants and landlords rights is a farce, the tenant should be there knowing the landlord has the last say, otherwise get a council house or buy somewhere!
Way Way too much common sense there Duncan 😂👍🏻
Apologies in advance for the long winded explanation.
If you was to purchase an expensive piece of equipment you may lend it to a very good freind or family member (providing on how well you know them and like/love them) but even then it would be at your discretion and there’s a chance that piece of equipment could be returned to you damaged?
But if the very good freind/loved one was to maybe offer you a financial incentive you could be swayed into lending them that expensive piece of equipment, but in most circumstances you would be highly unlikely to lend that expensive piece of equipment to a good freind/ loved one even for a financial incentive if it was at the good freind’s/family members discretion as to when they would return you your expensive piece of equipment.
The renters reform bill purposes a landlord lends their expensive piece of property to someone who in all likelihood they won’t even know at all until that person chooses fit to return the property, who in their right mind would consider let alone embark on such an endeavour?
And that’s is how the real rational world works and anyone who says any different needs a reality check.
I would advise anyone regardless of if their a politician & charity volunteer & tenant & landlord to step back and think rationally about what the bill is actually purposing.
This bill needs to end rationally i.e it’s scrapped or it will end irrationally which will mean mass disinvestment by landlords in the private housing rental sector and chaos will ensue for local authorities.
A good analogy Daniel.
Far better than the hire/lease car one that had occurred to me.
I may buy my son & daughter a house each if they keep their noses clean? But I’m certainly not buying someone else’s son or daughter a house that’s what the RRB is purposing i do!
"rebalance the power between tenants and landlords'
It's my house you live in. I keep it in good condition and fix any issues promptly and without fuss. The rent I charge is less than I can because I appreciate that you look after my property and occasionally, when you can't pay the rent, I'll work something out.
If you want power, buy your own place.
The NRLA wants it?? Well there’s the problem isn’t it. We have an organisation representing us that doesn’t know what it’s members think!! Complete waste of space. I really have no idea why I pay my subscription.
The NRLA are a spineless disgrace, they have done nothing but ‘appease and roll over’ on every critical issue facing the PRS. Given the circumstances we now find ourselves in it can be firmly concluded that they have actively damaged the PRS not least by demanding that Gov get on an introduce the RRB! Landlords don’t want nor will they accept the RRB.
I have renewed my membership this year. But it will be my last year.
I can't pay for membership to a body that is actively supporting decisions which are hostile to it's members.
How on earth can Ben Beadle be supporting removal of S21, when he KNOWS landlords are against this.
I pay my dues to organisations like this to speak up FOR ME.
I paid my last subscription in 2023. I will not renew.
Me too AL, spoke with them and they said to me they wished to effect change from within government rather than behaving like the activists?!?
My issue is the Crackpots I mean activists have the traction on getting change while Ben is sat on his ring smiling and saying nothing. It was nice to speak to them to vent at their policy team but ultimately I am out of the NRLA until Beadles About is out.
Peter, I pay them to represent me, not effect change from within government. What they are actually saying is that they are right and their members are wrong.😡
What tenant or family wants to have a tenancy with no fixed term - none. The majority of tenants (familys especially) we get REQUEST 2 /3 year tenancies as they want security.
As has been said before , no sane landlord is serving good tenants notice!
I think people are finally realising that this element of the reform is a farce. I am all for the Renters Reform Bill but landlords need to stop being construed as the enemy and this Bill should be drafted and enacted sensibly without having the "tenant votes" at the forefront of every decision made around housing.
Over 80% of tenants are happy and section 21 is only used in a tiny minority of cases.
What needs reformed?
I've never had anyone request a 2 or 3 year tenancy. Apart from students all of mine start on a 6 month AST and then roll onto a SPT.
I'd like to see Section 8 made more functional because as others have said "No GOOD landlord gives NOTICE to a GOOD tenant without a GOOD reason."
Tenants can end the tenancy when they want. They don’t need a fixed term named.
It would be wise to have some flexibility in any new system.
As Jo said there are few tenants who want to commit for two to three years, particularly sharers.
However, there are very few landlords who are prepared to hand their properties over to tenants on an indefinite basis. We know that from the past.
You are “all for the Renters Reform Bill”? It’s totally anti-landlord? Why?
It is extremist anti-landlord legislation which has caused such misery for everyone.
At this point I’m trying not to care anymore. If the RRB goes ahead, rents will go up and the shortage of properties will allow us all to be even more picky about tennants than we are now. If it doesn’t that’d be better for renters - not that most would realise or appreciate the fact and we’d get further villified.
There’s a part of me now that’s thinking “go ahead and bring it in” because it will take the catastrophic consequences for renters to actually educate people to the point they may listen to what we’ve been saying all along.
Look at Scotland and see the future!
If it collapses it will be a reprieve. When Labour get in they will have to draft a new bill and this will take time. I think Labour meanwhile will freeze rents and consider rent control so rents will only go up in the interim. They are being remarkably quiet about housing. If there is a May election this will shorten any reprieve. However they may be able to stand up the activists better than the Conservatives.
Margare, Remember everyone thought the Brexit Referendum was a done deal.
Steve: agreed exactly my feeling to.
WHY ARE THESE SPOKESPEOPLE TALKING ABOUT S21 EVICTIONS? There is no such thing. Bad enough Polly Bleat, Generation Rant etc talking about S21 EVICTIONS. Their ignorance can, perhaps, be excused, but a Government spokesperson should know better.
As I said above, this joins the poll tax and bedroom tax as non existent issues for the left to bleat about.
With a mortgage, how many go for a 5 yr fixed term? & how many prefer a variable rate? …. I’ve dealt with thousands of tenants & they want peace of mind, a fixed period, with a fixed rent, giving them security in their home.
To add, if you make it harder for landlords to evict, the risk increases choosing the right tenant. Therefore, vetting will become stricter & will hurt tenants on benefits & low incomes. Landlords will not take the risk.
Shelter & such like, will make it harder, they will hurt the very people they think they are helping.
The reform bill state tenants can only give notice after 4 months, with 2 months notice - which is exactly what we have now, min. 6 month AST ? So what’s the point exactly?
Students want 11 month fixed term contracts (over 50% are in PRS), if landlords can evict / sell after 6 months how will their degree / study be affected?
Equally, students will leave after 9 months, student landlords pay a mortgage for 12 months, this doesn’t work for either party.
A fixed term works for both parties.
…. So why? Why change a contract that’s works for both parties, forcing both parties to use periodic , month by month tenancies that don’t work? … explain that?
Because they are idiots ???
Propman115 Nope, the Renters Reformed Bill was never required there was nothing wrong with the way it was and the Terms of the Contract has to be Complied with just like any Contract.
The Contract has to be mutual agreed by both Parties so don’t go telling me I must give it as a right for 3 years or any other period that’s my decision. I’ll decide how long I want to let it for and if I decide it’s one year that’s it and if they want it for 3 years then find landlord that willing to let for 3 years and if you can’t tough luck it’s not your property.
However I have some 12 years who just bought their own house because of my reasonable rent, another lot 18 years so why do you want to push us around it won’t work you interfering busybodies.
If the RRB fails then Labour will pick it up in Autumn when is government and will bolt on many of their current amendments from Pollock . They are really BAD for LLs
We ALL know there will be several LLs prompted/tempted to sell NOW with CGT at 24% (not for long- 6 months?!Then up to 40%+ with Labour emergency Autumn budget) We all know rents increases peak in Sept year on year so expect Labour to put temporary break on rent increases in as the narrative will be rents are up due to tories and so they have to take control of the market (using emergency Covid powers with the cost of renting crisis). Remember you won't be able to sell unless you can stomach minimum 40%+ CGT under Labour so they will be locking LLs assets in. RRB has to cross the line before Labour gets in otherwise we are in for a terrible 5 years for LLs and tenants.
A Labour win is not guaranteed.
A L agreed but I think very likely though, remember Major v Kinock that all went pear shaped for labour, kinock and starmer are very similar aren't they
Andrew, not to mention David Steel telling the Liberals to, “Go home and prepare for government “. 🤣 That was his best comedy. 😂
Henry S, if they want Tenancies long term to rear and School they kids then go on Social Housing or buy their own it’s not my job to house them.
Why do they have kids that they are not capable of providing for it’s very irresponsible. I am not their Dad.
Amnoyef Landlord I am hoping you are right Some people have short memories or even no memory of how Labour governments end
I remember all governments since Alec Douglas Home.
I remember the lights going out in the 70's and country bankrupt, then the turbo charging of country and economy in the 80's and 90's with a few blips and corrections along the way. Then the late 90's and 00's and the utter woke nonsense and everything being about Blair, bankrupt again and wasted everything.
If I keep my properties then I will until Labour are back out of power which I predict will be one term in office because of the shear incompetence in their ranks. To be fair current bunch of Tories no better either.
We have recently decided that later this year we will serve notice on a tenant who has been in our house for 9 years, for us this is a first. In the past we have always waited for a tenant to decide to move out before selling. We can take the equity and stick it in a bank account for a better monthly return. Short term i don't care about the RRB the direction of travel is obvious, we are out. We currently have three left of the six properties we had.
You are in good company 💰🏝 the next government have no clue what is coming 🆘
Ive been a tennant privately and in social housing. Ive been rent free fr 15 years. Now i've had to selk mt house and buy a leasehold. I cant sell the retirement flat as it belongs to firstport. This is a nihtmare and my experiences with blocsphere when I rented the retirement property last year was horrendous. We thought we could rent to rent. We couldn't because we couldn't show a tax return. My husband is 68 and I'm 62. He's gone back to work to make ends meet. Iv'e been approached to house asylem seekers and another agency looking to house former HMS prisoners. This country is on it's knees. I've been following this group and it's a facinating insight. I can see how many complicated issues there are. Red tape legislation money money money. You cant trust any one any more. It's very sad to see crumbling buildings filthy streets and people sleeping rough. New housing estates that are beyond affordable if you haven't got a job. One pay packet away from homelessness if you get fired. If money eqals happiness I'd rather be poor.
I am sorry to hear this Catherine, when people put their shift in they should be able to relax and enjoy the fruits of their labour. Unfortunately both sides of the house are on a mission to tax the living daylights out of pensioners causing needless worrying.
Unfortunately when renting off corporates weather it's retirement homes or skyscrapers it is a faceless, cold, money grabbing experience.
With PRS it is humans that understand and overall will be fairly flexible with tenants, as most have pointed out we do not kick out good tenants, we do not kick out tenants who have some drama we work with them. We do not put up rents every year (I do now after this).
Overall with 11 rentals I never put the rents up unless the tenant moved out, this left me a long way behind market. On the start of this RRB exercise and activists getting involved I had no choice but to increase everyone. Now all have been informed that there will be an inflationary increase every year. This suits no one.
Good Luck in your current situation, I sincerely hope it gets easier.
These retirement homes are a complete rip off, build to rent will be exactly the same
I'm curious about the retirement flat and Firstport.
I can't get much sense out of estate agents on the subject.
I've read the Firstport information which seems a bit unclear and I've read their fairly bad reviews.
The question is can you buy one of their leasehold flats and rent it out to someone who is over 60?
The estate agent says absolutely not. Firstport's information indicates it may be OK.
I'm fully aware of the ground rent, service charge and short lease but the prices seem to reflect that.
Will Beadle’s about “welcome” this?
Good point Nick!
As a landlord, I’ve never seen the fuss about removing S21. I would only want my property back if the tenant was bad or I wanted to sell. I’d much rather them spend the time and money making it easier to serve section 8 and achieving a quick outcome for bad tenants. I have no emotional value in my properties, whereas my tenant do. A good tenant that pays the rent and looks after my investment without upsetting others, can live there for as long as they like.
I think we all agree Kev, but it's not easier nor does it look like getting any easier with S8. Be careful what you wish for, court system fkd beyond belief. Try getting possession within 6 months.
The problem with sec 8 is it's not fit for purpose neither are the courts
With respect , there's too many people like you around who are just not bothered about S21. You say " I would only want my property back if the tenant was bad or I wanted to sell." I think in principle we would all agree with you. However S21 is 'no fault' so you don't have to prove wrong doing. Why are you happy to lose that control, and leave it so someone else to decide if there is wrong doing? Everyone is anti landlord apart from landlords. Judges don't want to make families homeless. About the only thing you can prove is non-payment of rent. And that can be reduced with compensation (for issues caused by the tenant). Late payment no one cares about. Damage to property? Anti social behaviour? You on bended knees to a judge, ££££ thousands of legal fees? No certainty of getting your property back.
So, Kevin, you are the landlord that Bungling Boy Beadle spoke to about abolishing S21. 🤣
Kevin. Section 21 is the very foundation of all Private Renting before which there wasn’t any.
I was there fighting for it from 1978 until in Happened in the 1988 Housing Act and only for Sir George Young it might not have happened.
I had to try to get Company lets, Institutions or Diplomats, that’s a whole other story and don’t want going back there again.
Well 35 years on the problem being some Landlords had an easy ride with the intervention of the Woolwich Building Society I believe introduced buy to let interest only loans so a minimal Deposit and as interest rates went lower they bought more & more.
They had no responsibility or skin in the game just a mathematical equation.
The Rent is X — loan the rest is mine for doing nothing. They never had any intention of paying it off no need just get more & more and as Property prices rose it was double bubble profits for them and as interest rates hit 1% they were laughing all the way to the Caribbean.
The rest is history and Kevin dearest you
didn’t have to use Section 21 very much or at all because it was there do you get that, take it away and you’ll see. Good morning.
This was always a political Chernobyl in the waiting for the Conservatives, hence they have dithered on it for a few years now. Thats what happens when you try and nick policies from the other side of the centre line, you risk alienating your own vote to steal the oppositions thunder which has been the achilles heel of Tory strategy for a while now. Just stick to being Conservative and have some conviction in what you actually believe in and let the electorate decide. This is simply the ACTUAL Conservatives in the party saying no to all the liberals that are trying to take over. Same going on in the Labour party with momentum, both parties are fighting to hold the centre centre ground and silence right and left but havent yet got the power to do so.
Matthew, that is why many (myself included) openly support REFORM and many others are considering it. The faux-Tory government is well past its best before date. The rot started when Boris was forced out. I did not agree with all his policies, especially the Green ones, but he was elected with an overwhelming majority.
I do believe it was a co-ordinated campaign and Sue “fifty shades of” Gray had a big hand in it. She was also involved with the Starmer versus Speaker debacle. Boris and Liz Truss were both stitched up like kippers so they could get their guy, Sunak, into power. Sunak, rejected not once but twice by his party and what a success he has been. Boats stopped, asylum seekers removed, criminals deported, nobody homeless especially ex-service people, anti-semitism stopped, crime down etc.
If the rental reform bill ever went ahead there would be no rental properties left to rent and the only option would be a council property and good luck with that.
I have been a good landlord for Twenty year and only have issues with two tenant over that period.
Both our properties are quality rentals one fully furnished and one not. the current contacts have worked well and are a good balance between tenant and landlord.
Private landlord with mortgages are now running at a loss due the loss interest rate relief section 24.
Renting the 2 property has become a liability so I'm selling before the lunatic's in Westminster make any more worse for Private Landlords . The losers in all this is the good tenants !!
The RRB collapsing is the best possible news for tenant. it means that their LL won't need to sell up and they may be able remain in the property.
If the RRB goes ahead with section 21 removed, the market is going to see a mass exodus of LL's from the PRS which can only result in tenant evictions and increased demand on Council housing department for accommodation.
To date just the suggestion that the RRB is being discussed has some LL's spooked and heading for the hills.
Generation Rent, Shelter etc you need to wake up and smell the coffee, this very one sided bill will only result in a reduced supply of property and increased pressure on tenants.
Coffee!! They should be drinking lots of it so they also get the sleepless nights they deserve
I am surprised at the silence from SBR and James Turner. Surely they are out of bed by now or is it signing on day for them?
They are probably down at Wetherspoons drinking and smoking their Universal Credit away sayging F'ing this and F'ing that. Landlords, rent rises, no fault, MY HOME, Tories, GGGRRRR.
Has any one in Government done an analysis of how many Rental Properties will be lost upon introduction of Renters reform Bill.?
What will be the estimated loss over the years 3 , 5 10 years with reduced new Landlords entrants ?
How and where will the displaced tenants be Housed. ?
This surly should have been done by the NRLA . ( Or Perhaps Not ) Probably the 60 Tory MP`s that appear to be the only ones in Government that can foresee the looming disaster.
I think we could safely leave the student housing to our Ben 😍
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