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Landlords intimidate tenants into not reporting faults, says Generation Rent

Christmas goodwill towards landlords seems in short supply from activist group Generation Rent. 

It has this week issued a statement saying the existence of Section 21 eviction powers “allow landlords to intimidate tenants into staying quiet about disrepair.”

The group blames S21’s existence is why “private rented homes are more likely than homes in other tenures to have a dangerous hazard.”

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Generation Rent also blames spending cuts preventing local authorities from inspecting private rental properties.

However the activists say Rent Repayment Orders are the effective solution to reducing the number of private rental properties that are - allegedly - sub-standard.

The group’s statement says: “If your landlord needs a licence but hasn’t applied for one, you can apply for a Rent Repayment Order at the First Tier Tribunal and could receive up to 12 months’ rent back. It doesn’t require a full investigation from the council, just confirmation that the landlord has not applied for a licence for your home. In London at least, RROs are the main way landlords get into trouble for dodging licensing rules.”

And complementing the RRO, it says, is the portal concept included in the Renters Reform Bill

Generation Rent says: “Central to this is the introduction of the Property Portal – a national register of landlords. Finally, those businesses that provide the thing you spend half your life in and often take half your wages, will have to make themselves known to the authorities. As a tenant you will be able to check information about your home, including details about your landlord and whether they have met certain legal requirements. The Portal will also provide information about your rights as a renter.”

Currently the Bill says it’s up to local councils to ensure their local landlords are registered - but the activists are unhappy about this, because they say councils are too underfunded to carry out this work.

“The easiest way to enforce [registration on the portal] is with an army of tenants checking the Portal and coming down like a tonne of bricks on landlords who try to hide” says the group. 

It even wants this enshrined in law, suggesting that “one tweak to the Renters Reform Bill could transform renters’ awareness of rights, drive up landlords’ compliance with new rules and reduce council’s workload at a time of financial difficulty.”

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    It's incredibly frustrating when tenants fail to report basic maintenance issues.
    I pay for a British Gas plumbing and drainage policy on almost all my properties so tenants can phone either me or them and get a repair carried out within a couple of days at no extra cost. How many times have I found dripping taps or toilets that they haven't bothered telling me about or getting fixed?
    I always prefer tenants to email me about an issue complete with a couple of photos of what they're talking about. One close up enough to see the problem and another far enough away to work out where it is. If it's an appliance it's useful to have it's model number. A lot of my tenants are fairly young and English is a second language for about 20% of them so I don't necessarily expect them to know what a problem is or technical terms for stuff so photos are a good starting point.
    It's really unhelpful when these activist groups tell tenants it's a waste of time reporting problems and that they will get evicted if they do. The vast majority of landlords want to maintain their properties in top condition and need tenants to report repairs.

    Peter Why Do I Bother

    Come on Jo, going off piste and talking common sense will not impress Polly and her gang will it....

     
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    British Gas is offering to cover four kitchen appliances for the price of three at the moment. I provide everything so useful for me.

     
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    Wow... that is one way to interpret the message of this post. No where does it say not to report problems.

    The post is talking about the fact there has been an increase in s21 and their links to people reporting issues. I was literally issued with a S21 because my agent saw any issue as an attack on her or me being difficult.

    - mould on wall (age old told it was condensation, eventually got someone round... it was water ingress).
    - freezing room. I raised a question over if it follows legal requirements of HMOs.
    -WiFi repeatedly having issues.
    - shower leaking and causing damage to the door frame.

    Every single time I raised an issue I was met with conflict.

    Since I've left the property, they've had the boiler die, the electric has been cut for some reason and the wifi has fully died... yet I was the problem. But now the house is full of people who don't raise any issues.

     
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    That, Katey, is exactly the problem. You can be the best landlord in the world, but your tenants will have been traumatised by previous landlords' illegal behaviour. Ignore what this lot have to say, we don't take our advice from people with a vested interest.

     
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    I think it is the "them and us" attitude which causes the problems. We are all human beings with worries and problems and failings.

    My tenants have all been very helpful, and I have tried to give them a better deal than they have expected or asked for. We have all treated each other as we would like to be treated ourselves.

    Unfortunately, both this Government and the Labour Party, instead of looking for ways to promote cooperation and kindness between landlords and tenants, are causing the relationship between landlords and tenants to break down and end. Politicians make the mistake of assuming that you can compel people to act in a certain way. That approach doesn't work in the long-term and leads to resistance and self-protection, not benefits for anyone concerned. Landlords lose their businesses and tenants lose their homes.

     
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    Where is the National Register of Tenants? 🤔Fair’s fair, after all. We should be able to check whether a tenant has defaulted on rent, lost all or part of their deposit etc. Will Generation Rant support that idea? Perhaps a ⛄️has a better chance in 🔥.

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    Surely credit checks should do that?

    The reason landlords have a register is that they are the service provider... the business. A tenant is a customer. If there was a register of tenants, then we would start having registers of plumber customers..

    Also losing a deposit is subjective. I've never lost any deposit before, I've left my properties pretty much better than how I received them. That was all different in my last property! My agent never liked me and she wanted to reduce money from my deposit for water droplets on the metal of the shower. I also hadn't placed the desk back in the exact location it was (im talking a 90 degree rotate). And then because of how she handled the desk, it all broke when she moved it (I had to get it repaired when I first moved in) and wanted to charge me for it.
    Luckily, DPS agreed with me and I didn't lose any deposit.

     
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    You can't have a national register of customers. You can already check a tenants credit status by performing your due diligence before the tenancy starts.

     
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    If the tenant misses a rent payment, or is late paying, unless it gets to court and a CCJ is issued the tenants poor rent payment record will not show up on any credit check.

     
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    A chat with a past landlord or agent can be useful

     
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    The Landlord licensing Registry is some bad joke I was looking for my own on it that took some searching had to go through it line by line.
    It’s not in any particular format to how I think, it’s all mixed up munbo jumbo not in regular order. Why not simply have post code & house number. Some Councils are charging to have a look £25. to see one quarter of the Registrar for example and that might not be any good to you.

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    Hard to understand why Government wants to maximum homelessness and unaffordable housing, every policy they have introduced thus far has increased homeless, rough sleeping and made rents very unaffordable. Please tell me just one of their Policy’s that has increased housing supply or made rents more affordable or that didn’t drive up the Benefit bill or increased B & B temporary accommodation costs and numbers. Landlords are their No. 1 enemy just see how many fines. Penalties and repayments Orders lately.
    I Recently applied to re-license a HMO nightmare, Application Form 16 pages, DEICR, Gas Cert, Drawing showing all rooms their location, measurements sizes, SA positions, EL, CD , Emergency lights Cert, Fire Alarm Cert, EPC. 0ld licence, my Tenancy Agreement, proof of payments not a problem direct debt, Cavity Wall Cert’, Still not
    enough back looking for more.
    Where is my fire risk assessment ?.
    Where is my ASB Policy I am not a Policeman.
    Excuse me what are all those documented I just given you ?
    Oh yes I nearly forgot the outrageous fee.
    Did someone say there’s a Housing Crisis I wonder why ask Shelter they can’t wait to be rid of Section 21, the very
    foundation of all Private letting before which there wasn’t any, that should do the trick.

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    As Jo says, nothing worse than tenants not reporting minor faults that then turn into bigger ones. GenRent must represent the unluckiest tenants around - given that >80% tenants are happy with their LLs.

    Govt then believes GenRent, Shelter et al & legislates for the minority resulting in ALL tenants suffering with lack of availability & increasing rent.

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    Totally agree, I prefer faults to be reported and repaired. As usual Generation rent are talking rubbish.

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    I agree with all the above comments about reporting faults. And would add that expanding foam can be a very good way of dealing with certain problems. I have just used it very successfully on the back of a bath (covered now by tiles). You must use eye protection and gloves when using it. It was discovered serendipitously as a result of research on adhesives, so has very good adhesive qualities as well as being waterproof - and adheres to tiles.

    Make sure that you keep it away from any wire or electrics if using it though.

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    I also used it for a roof/drainpipe repair where there was a gap and it has worked brilliantly.

    It does take a bit of practice in using it though - can be messy if you are not sure how to use it.

     
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    I love expanding foam. Wobbly door frame? Foam it. Drafty window? Foam it. Squeaky floor boards, lifting window cill's, stud work that's come away from the floor, foam foam and more foam. Love it!

     
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    I love it, too, Andrew!

     
  • Peter Why Do I Bother

    A quote from Generation Rent

    The group blames S21’s existence is why “private rented homes are more likely than homes in other tenures to have a dangerous hazard.”

    Strange I thought it was Local authority housing that was the biggest hazard?

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    Every case I see in the MSM involves either a council or Housing Association, not a private landlord. But facts don’t suit the Generation Rant narrative. 🤔

     
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    More 6th form politics from these idiots...jobs for the boys and girls

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    One of my tenants is an angel. I was up a tall ladder recently fixing masonry, and he offered to help. It does help if the landlord and tenant work as a team. If tenants help in any way, I always give them some money though.

    Incidentally, if you use Toupret tough multi-filler for a masonry repair you don't need to prime the substrate first.

    Whether or not you choose to instruct builders, it is worth researching the appropriate materials for a job. I send photos of the problem to the manufacturers of different materials sometimes to get their advice on the best product to use.

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    Generation Rent thinks they live in a hotel with 24 7 services and maintenance call-out costs are astronomical, at the flip of a hat they want a call-out, if a tenant want hotel service they should pay hotel prices, im not saying landlords should not repair stuff but the tenant seem to want it yesterday.

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    I think it may be worth providing services if you want to ensure that you keep control of the property when the law changes soon.

    You can, of course, include the price of the services in the rent and I believe for legal reasons they should constitute 25% of the rent amount payable.

     
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    I'm hoping that Michael Gove has recognised that everything the Gov has done to appease people like Generation Rent and Shelter have actually hurt the very people it was supposed to help. Landlords will either pass things on to Tenants or sell up like they are doing now. And if Labour get in to power I think there'll be even more homeless as Landlords exit the market.

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    I am surprised that Gove can recognise his own face in a mirror!

     
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    I also wish people would report Repairs. I've been out today, noticed a window appeared noisy, the tenant said it was nothing. The window stays were so stiff they were about to rip the opener out of the frame. I explained it wasn't their fault, spent £7 at screwfix and changed the hinges. Cheaper than a new window!

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    Tip from a window fitter friend. A squirt or two of silicone spray on the sliders of the hinges (assuming upvc windows) can save replacing hinges. I have used it successfully many times.

     
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    Hey these guys need to stop lying and putting this utter lies and hyperbolic inconsistent to real life ideas that are not true. They need to get a grip because they neither help tenant or Landlord. Thanks to them if the tenant is not a triple A* they are not getting in my properties and now I'm going to add to the screening whether they are affiliated with any groups such as generation rant and shelter ... an immediate 👎 from entering my properties.

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    Happy new year everyone

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    Happy New Year Andrew and all on this forum!

     
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    And to you, Andrew. I hope your health improves in 2024.

     
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    Thank you Annoyed, I'm well on the mend just need to get my fitness back now

     
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    Happy new year Andrew. When I did my rehab it was about an hour a day, twice a week for 6 weeks. It also included lectures on health and nutrition. A couple of months later I had some undiagnosed chest pains and was advised to do some more rehab. All good now, 13 years later.

     
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    Katey, yes a large number of Section 21’s have been used, hundreds of thousands in fact but not because Tenants complained about anything they were very happy with their accommodation and low Rents.
    It’s Michael Gove Housing Secretary so called RENTERS REFORM BILL scrapping Section 21 the very foundation of all Private Renting, that’s the cause before which there wasn’t any is that too easy to understand.
    Hundreds of thousands of Landlords have been driven out. Hundreds of thousands of Tenants had to move unnecessarily because of this Bill and trying to find alternative accommodation on similar Terms to what they had proved impossible and now having to pay up to 30% more thanks to their fake friend Mr Michael Gove.
    Of Course it is them & us Landlords & Tenants but as one in the same not in opposition.
    Mr Gove & Councils doing everything possible to divide us and every action they take is to drive the wedge in further in, divide & conquer the oldest trick in the book.
    Katey I accept there was an issue in your particular case between you and landlord or Agent but this is not general. Katey and Thanks for being a good Tenant.

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    The number of Section 21 notices is going to go up now because of the Renters Reform Bill.

    The Government knew that a very large number of landlords would not continue to let after the loss of Section 21 but had thought that the Renters Reform legislation would not have an immediate impact because it would not apply to existing tenants for some time.

    However, that assumption is now incorrect. Angela Rayner has said that Labour will abolish Section 21 on their first day in office which could be in May 2024.

     
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    I've used sec 21s to get rid of nonpayers in the past it will have to be sec 8 going forward which will leave the tenant with a CCJ and little chance of ever getting another tenancy or credit

     
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    I believe Labour intends to end automatic evictions for rent arrears.

     
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    Ellie I'm sure labour would like to put an end to rent arrears evictions but I don;t see how they can those that won't pay have to go whether done legally through the courts or another way either way they will go

     
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    I think it is better to start a civil case for the amount owing, than to use illegal means. There are legal means of enforcing a civil judgement.

     
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    Andrew no worries I have been there done that I had a house half built got 2 heart attack same day back after 6 weeks and finished the House, 6 stents 20 years later never retired still here causing trouble.

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    Katey, what 8s a literal section 21.?

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